Re: bump this thread every time Cameron is a shameless and pathetic rent-a-quote machine

[Wilkesandliberty]

In all honesty, I'd much rather see Cameron in next term then see Mr. Brown stick around.

But, there is still plenty of time for me to change my mind.

Surely you must have some local candidate, be they Lib Dem, SNP, Greens, independant, that will do their best for your local area without tacitly supporting the worst of mainstream party politics?

Surely depends on your local MP mind, If John Cruddas stood in my area or some other quality Labour backbencher then fairly vote for them I say, hell your more likely to get someone in politics for the right idea not the wrong if they are a backbencher on Labour.

John Cruddas or Simon Hughes....Now i'm just destroying your arguement.

[INTERNET MALE]

In all honesty, I'd much rather see Cameron in next term then see Mr. Brown stick around.

But, there is still plenty of time for me to change my mind.

Surely you must have some local candidate, be they Lib Dem, SNP, Greens, independant, that will do their best for your local area without tacitly supporting the worst of mainstream party politics?

Surely depends on your local MP mind, If John Cruddas stood in my area or some other quality Labour backbencher then fairly vote for them I say, hell your more likely to get someone in politics for the right idea not the wrong if they are a backbencher on Labour.

John Cruddas or Simon Hughes....Now i'm just destroying your arguement.

yeah that's why I listed loads of different parties, and of course there are loads of good Labour backbenchers or local candidates - if we still had John McAllion up here i'd probably vote for him despite my dissatisfaction with Labour nationally, but the party threw him under the bus and Shona Robison is doing a largely solid job, so fuck them

[Alx]

In all honesty, I'd much rather see Cameron in next term then see Mr. Brown stick around.

But, there is still plenty of time for me to change my mind.

Surely you must have some local candidate, be they Lib Dem, SNP, Greens, independant, that will do their best for your local area without tacitly supporting the worst of mainstream party politics?

Our local candidate is actually a Tory. We had a hopeless Labor MP for a few years that did fuck all, our current MP is a massive massive improvement. It's nice that he makes an effort to get involved in the local community and that. I just don't really get on with a lot of Labour's policies. And I can't see the point of voting for a party that isn't gonna get in, so hell.
This is the level of commitment I have towards modern politics. I'll think about voting closer to the time

[Glurve]

I dont know many people who actually like either main party. Me included. For the reasons Geraint stated I wouldn't vote the tories yet I dont trust labour. Blair said new labour is the party of big business which doesn't really work for me.

[INTERNET MALE]

I just don't really get on with a lot of Labour's policies. And I can't see the point of voting for a party that isn't gonna get in, so hell.

well, you're always going to get one of the same two parties in power then, and they've been very very similar since about 1994.

Really wish Labour hadn't cravenly avoided their pledge to bring in proportional representation as soon as they got power, there are a LOT of people who share your attitude and it really would shake things up quite a bit.

[pinkhandbag IV]

PR would be an interesting change, although I'd prefer STV, I think it's the better system and you get the PR thrown in.

[Wilkesandliberty]

PR would be an interesting change, although I'd prefer STV, I think it's the better system and you get the PR thrown in.

That's why we need a Hung Parliment

As for good local Mp's, Andrew George down here seems excellent and then you realise he just talks and blames Labour for a Lib Dem controlled failure in Cornwall. You've got to watch these local Mp's more than the national ones.

I've only ever lived under Tory and Lib Dem Mp's and councils and they've all been without fail awful. Butterfill the one in Bournemouth was fucking pathetic basically strolls to Bournemouth every 5 years get's a bigger majority then fucks off to his house in London for 5 years. He is one Tory Mp who actively encourages Gordon Brown to put off elections as he can't be arsed to come back and campaign.

Sure there are ones in all parties but fuck me along with the whip's having there cocks sucked by junior minsters and the best and brightest Mp's refused cabient jobs even though they are the SECOND MOST POPULAR PERSON IN THERE PARTY it really is fucked as a system isn't it.

[Wilkesandliberty]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7772725.stm

Yet more destabling of the pound.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7733794.stm

Just incase you missed it.

[Wilkesandliberty]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7804599.stm

The Conservatives must offer a "positive vision of change" to help people through the "dark days" facing the country, David Cameron has said.

In a new year message to party members, the Tory leader said all possible steps must be taken to limit the length and severity of the economic downturn.

The government had "lost its moral compass" and been "corrupted by power", he said.

Labour said he would "do nothing" for families while it offered "real help".

The Conservatives have sought to repel Labour claims that they do not have an alternative to the government's economic recovery plan.

'Constructive ideas'

Emphasising the need for positive proposals to help the UK through a likely recession, Mr Cameron said the government's approach - based on a large increase in borrowing and tax cuts to stimulate spending - was irresponsible.

He said the Tories must show the public that they had learnt the lessons of the financial crisis while continuing to offer "constructive" ideas to keep people in work and their homes.


"People are looking to us for hope in these dark days and we must be ready to offer it," he said.

On Tuesday, the party said there was acute anxiety about future prospects in all sectors of the housing market as figures showed average house prices fell 12% in England and Wales in the last year.

It published research indicating that more than 40% of mortgage holders, local authority tenants and private renters were worried about not being able to meet their payments over the next year.

Election ready

Mr Cameron also said the Conservatives had a duty to offer its vision of what type of economy and society it wanted to build, were it to come to power.

The bedrock, he said, should be "responsible government and responsible business" with an emphasis on lower taxes, less state interference and sustainable growth.

He also said the Tories must be ready for an election "at any time".

Voters now faced a clearer choice between the two main parties than for many years, he added.

"People can see that Labour have been in power too long," he added.

"They have been corrupted by power and their arrogance means that they cannot now even see their mistakes, let alone correct them."

He criticised recent comments by Gordon Brown that the economic situation would be a "test of character" for the British people.

Mr Brown has acknowledged 2009 will be a tough year but maintained Britain is better prepared to deal with the slowdown than other countries and praised the country's "can-do attitude".

But Mr Cameron said: "The prime minister tells us to find our blitz spirit when he is the one dropping the bombs - the tax and debt bombshells that are taking Britain to the brink of bankruptcy."

For the government, Culture Secretary Andy Burnham said the government had acted to cut VAT, bring forward investment in schools, GP surgeries and infrastructure and increase child benefit.

He added: "This just shows that David Cameron will say anything to disguise the fact he would do nothing.

"Families and businesses need action and real help now not overblown rhetoric.

"Instead of a message of hope and optimism, all we get from the Tories is yet more over-hyped cynicism."

Just too much of the same, no actual alternative apart from this and I quote "The bedrock, he said, should be "responsible government and responsible business" with an emphasis on lower taxes, less state interference and sustainable growth."

This is exactly what got us in this economic mess in the first place, it's been the policy for the last 30 years, and what will Lower taxes take away....Services. The underfunding left services on the brink of being killed off in 1997, the same policies that failed for both parties are now being trotted out....Remarkable

[INTERNET MALE]

haha, he's watched the star wars prequels over christmas and not quite figured out that sidious/palpatine is the bad guy

[Wilkesandliberty]

Mr Cameron said his party would be arguing for a more "balanced" economy, encouraging saving "rather than just borrowing", more manufacturing and a greener economy which was less reliant on oil.

Just highlight those last two as the first is pretty sensible when the economy isn't fucked and is pretty easy for people in well paid jobs, but hell this government hasn't encouraged this....

More Manufacturing and a less reliance on Oil.........Hell we could just axe the whole 80's and go forth.

Basically he's laying the blame on Labour for being too reliant on Oil and the destruction of manufacturing....Seriously does an ETON education delude you from life itself. Yesterday he was calling for free market policies today he's calling for the 1983 Labour manifesto.

He's just making this easy.

[Berlin knives]

Mr Cameron said his party would be arguing for a more "balanced" economy, encouraging saving "rather than just borrowing", more manufacturing and a greener economy which was less reliant on oil.

Just highlight those last two as the first is pretty sensible when the economy isn't fucked and is pretty easy for people in well paid jobs, but hell this government hasn't encouraged this....

More Manufacturing and a less reliance on Oil.........Hell we could just axe the whole 80's and go forth.

Basically he's laying the blame on Labour for being too reliant on Oil and the destruction of manufacturing....Seriously does an ETON education delude you from life itself. Yesterday he was calling for free market policies today he's calling for the 1983 Labour manifesto.

He's just making this easy.

Just call the Party "New Conservatitives" ... I just wonder how they plan to limit the reliance on oil and stimulate the green economy in a free market, when greener technologies are less value for money.

[Wilkesandliberty]

Mr Cameron said his party would be arguing for a more "balanced" economy, encouraging saving "rather than just borrowing", more manufacturing and a greener economy which was less reliant on oil.

Just highlight those last two as the first is pretty sensible when the economy isn't fucked and is pretty easy for people in well paid jobs, but hell this government hasn't encouraged this....

More Manufacturing and a less reliance on Oil.........Hell we could just axe the whole 80's and go forth.

Basically he's laying the blame on Labour for being too reliant on Oil and the destruction of manufacturing....Seriously does an ETON education delude you from life itself. Yesterday he was calling for free market policies today he's calling for the 1983 Labour manifesto.

He's just making this easy.

Just call the Party "New Conservatitives" ... I just wonder how they plan to limit the reliance on oil and stimulate the green economy in a free market, when greener technologies are less value for money.

All the while cutting public spending....

[Wilkesandliberty]

It's a good idea so we had it first.....Number 234

Measures to help people who have been out of work for more than six months are to be unveiled by the government.

Work and Pensions Secretary James Purnell said the government wanted to avoid "writing off a generation if they become long-term unemployed".

Details will be announced on Monday as Gordon Brown chairs a job summit.

Last month Mr Purnell said proposals to force most benefit claimants to prepare for work or face penalties were a "fair deal".

Mr Purnell said the government was determined to prevent people falling into a vicious circle of unemployment.

"The really key thing is not to repeat mistakes of the past and to write off a whole generation if they become long-term unemployed.

"If people do become long-term unemployed it's much, much harder for them to get back into work."

He said the government would be announcing next week "extra help, more real help to make sure that people if they have been out of work for six months get more support so they can get back into the labour market."

The Conservatives say the government appears to be adopting some of their proposals, but they want to study the details.

Shadow work and pensions secretary Chris Grayling said: "We have already had a string of either fake or exaggerated announcements on jobs this week from the government.

"At a time when it is clear the government's policies on the recession are not working, ministers need to show that this latest set of initiatives have some substance behind them - and are not just more spin and re-announcement."

Mr Purnell will outline the ways in which more training, advice and incentives for employers will be made available ahead of the jobs summit.

BBC political correspondent Carole Walker said the prime minister "wants to demonstrate the government is addressing the growing concerns about jobs as the downturn takes its toll".

To that end, former health secretary Alan Milburn is being brought back to frontline politics.

Mr Milburn, who is seen as a Blairite, will chair a panel of industry leaders to help people from disadvantaged backgrounds progress in key professions.

In a Sunday Times article he said he would try to ensure "the best people, regardless of their backgrounds, have a fair crack of the whip".

Measures to promote social mobility are to be set out in a White Paper on Tuesday.

They do this almost weekly, apparently Cameron had the idea of bailing out the banks (he now criticises it), they also had reform on benefits (even though no one can find it) and now this...When did the Tories announce any policy bar soundbites about plans and how they wouldn't borrow as much.

The Tory plan, as there policy Think Tank (Cameron's most trusted policy thinktank no less) said is move everyone from the north down to Oxford, and just give up those towns up there.

Oh and yes this leaves a distinct difference between the two, one is doing something the other would do nothing.

[Wilkesandliberty]

Speaking after prime minister's questions, shadow chancellor George Osborne said: "The prime minister must personally and urgently clarify whether his statement today that the world is in 'depression' was a slip of the tongue, or whether he knows something that we don't know.

"For the sake of confidence he should clear up this confusion. Prime ministers in particular need to be very careful about their use of language to ensure they don't undermined confidence."

As opposed to this...

Britain may need IMF bail-out, warns David Cameron
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/4319385/Britain-may-need-IMF-bail-out-warns-David-Cameron.html

or

Brown borrowing could destroy sterling, Osborne warns
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brown-borrowing-could-destroy-sterling-osborne-warns-1020035.html